tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2357316514436369105.post1864066471071607586..comments2024-03-11T15:40:37.015+00:00Comments on Theoretical Structural Archaeology: Notes & Queries; SledgesGeoff Carterhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/01111820035762957610noreply@blogger.comBlogger40125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2357316514436369105.post-68405782956593513092014-11-18T17:57:40.532+00:002014-11-18T17:57:40.532+00:00Mudflat sledge/skipper
http://indigenousboats.blo...Mudflat sledge/skipper<br /><br />http://indigenousboats.blogspot.com/2011/01/chinese-mud-skipper.html/<br /><br />http://www.westerndailypress.co.uk/mud-horse-fisherman-catching-fish-old-way/story-21137661-detail/story.htmlDDedenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10033851770461086341noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2357316514436369105.post-87548217085252658482014-09-10T16:34:15.755+01:002014-09-10T16:34:15.755+01:00Hello
I've come across your site while trying...Hello<br /><br />I've come across your site while trying to research an old sleigh (in need of serious restoration). Would it be possible to email you a photo to see if you or anyone else can identify it? My email address is (pepres at gmail.com)Many thanks ChrisChrisnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2357316514436369105.post-19833150603019293722014-02-25T19:57:37.837+00:002014-02-25T19:57:37.837+00:00re. "7000 year old LBK longhouse from Olszani...re. "7000 year old LBK longhouse from Olszanica in Poland had 2 wide doors"<br /><br />I wonder if they watched springtime/autumn "films" thru the doorway... ie. hand puppet shows performed by a hidden showman/shaman behind a greased skin/sheet/screen backlit by a candelabra/qidlic(Eskimo)/tlapa(Aztec)/lumenaura/menora(Hebrew) as I saw the Ramayana in Malaya.<br /><br />winter: bear pelt/peeled - fur(lap/flap/flag)/drape/warmwrap<br /><br />spring/fall: greased bear skin-(fur scraped off for pillow fluff)/sheen-shine-sheet-show<br /><br />summer: burlap/nettle woven bug-netting hung from doorwayDDedenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10033851770461086341noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2357316514436369105.post-40508925967442818802014-02-25T19:26:54.187+00:002014-02-25T19:26:54.187+00:00sorry, I missed one:
[plank ~ flense ~ long blade=...sorry, I missed one:<br />[plank ~ flense ~ long blade=paddle/planed wood/flesh-pelage-filem/film/vellum/skin screen/script/sail]<br />in reference to using long blades flay/machete/hatchet/machado(Port)/nachat(Yiddish)=flesh knacker(E)/nacatl(Aztec)/Kanaka(Malay-Polynesian Sumba whale flensers). Noah may have had a coracle ark, but Jonah had belly of a whale shark.(liver oil) DDedenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10033851770461086341noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2357316514436369105.post-68453519379470874382014-02-25T19:08:06.085+00:002014-02-25T19:08:06.085+00:00I don't know the etym. of Corbridge, but it ma...I don't know the etym. of Corbridge, but it may fit this pattern: Corwyc-bridge or Corbie-stepped-(stone?)bridge (corbeled); less likely but possible corbit/orbit(of buzzards/birds)/obit(uary)/corvid=crow=scavenger/coil-curl-coloa(Aztec)-Zoroa(sterian = Parsee) method of corpse recycling setting body for birds/jackals, then perhaps burying the bones in a leather wrap/cup. (Jason & Argonauts saw tree-hung sacks of corpses at Colchis, Georgia). <br /><br />Squared planked flat-bottom coracles are obviously more recent, older ones tended to roundness.DDedenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10033851770461086341noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2357316514436369105.post-91577096624411444202014-02-25T18:54:34.369+00:002014-02-25T18:54:34.369+00:00Ox-hide covered "boat" funeral caskets b...Ox-hide covered "boat" funeral caskets buried in Tarim Basin China with oar-like (male grave) and punt-like (female grave) grave markers (with tartan-style fabric also found at Urumchi). I think these were oval or row-boat form. <br /><br />I associate long knives, long boats, rectilinear long houses and head chopping (territoreal punishment) with pigs, dogs and mixed grain (rice, booze etc.), maybe 10ka in East & SE Asia. This culture stage would have replaced/dominated coracle/dome hut camps. I don't find coracles in China, but women in Shianghai would float out to Brit ships in wooden-plank wash-baskets (half-barrel?). [plank ~ flense ~ long blade=planed wood/flesh, vellum screen/script/sail]DDedenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10033851770461086341noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2357316514436369105.post-75533007825067371922014-02-24T22:35:44.210+00:002014-02-24T22:35:44.210+00:00Oldest hint of frame/skin (of whatever nature, ani...Oldest hint of frame/skin (of whatever nature, animal or arboreal) watercraft in the Isles is still, I think, Trevor Watkins's <a href="http://www.scribd.com/doc/164258606/The-excavation-of-an-Early-Bronze-Age-cemetery-at-Barns-Farm-Dalgety-Fife-Proc-Soc-Antiqs-Scot-112-1982-48-141" rel="nofollow">FV/Beaker burials from Fife</a><br />Which are also seen at Corbridge, as you know, and Ferriby. He makes the point that these 'corpse-buckets' are (which is what they are, if they're not boats) in every respect of dimension and lofting, indistinguishable from Welsh coracles, as opposed to the curraghs of The Other Island. dustbubblenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2357316514436369105.post-75413884449128911782014-02-21T20:52:08.623+00:002014-02-21T20:52:08.623+00:00I could be wrong, but the evidence and logic indic...I could be wrong, but the evidence and logic indicate ancient paleo-coracles existed long before longboats, crafted rafts and dugout canoes; which eventually replaced the coracle due to far improved lateral movement as punts, paddles and oars developed. A tripod/tipi top allowed a sheet/skin to function (poorly) as a sail, a yoked dog (pair) could pull it in still deep water but not far. <br /><br />A bear skin could be a rug or a dome-hut doorway flap (sc-)rolled around a door post or hung from a lintel beam like a flag/banner. That would explain why bear & gate(way) seem to share a ling. root. (arcade/arctos/arets/arch/yr arth). This could have preceded proper tents, sails, vellum and hide-bound coracles.<br /> <br />A crew stranded in the straits of Magellen made & used a coracle in Darwins time.DDedenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10033851770461086341noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2357316514436369105.post-39598445152197492832014-02-21T01:39:08.926+00:002014-02-21T01:39:08.926+00:00Most interesting; I must admit I thought that cora...Most interesting; I must admit I thought that coracles might be a Neolithic - clearly that was not the case.<br />One interesting snippet; in the account of the Caesar's Civil War, his forces in Spain, without wood for a bridge, build coracles, in the manner he had seen in Britain. Geoff Carterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01111820035762957610noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2357316514436369105.post-36414769963345424692014-02-13T16:22:34.738+00:002014-02-13T16:22:34.738+00:00AmerIndian Mandan coracles used bison=wisent hides...AmerIndian Mandan coracles used bison=wisent hides.<br /><br />Some (East) Indians raise semi-domestic buffalo to milk (it is greenish-white), I don't know for certain if their hides are used in coracles, but the ones I've seen in India are hexagonal woven bamboo with pitch (like Vietnam), not hides. In Iraq (cattle?) & Tibet (buttered yak) hides are used. <br /><br />I was very surprised to see a photo of a hex. woven coracle in Brazil used by natives, as well as a hex. woven canopy on a long canoe. I don't know if that was truly indigeonous, if so, it might indicate a continuous tradition that I haven't seen anywhere in the new world.<br /><br />I consider both bear-skin and mammoth hides to have been plausibly used (for boats and huts) in the temperate/polar realm, like the eskimo walrus-split-hide umiak boat.DDedenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10033851770461086341noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2357316514436369105.post-14662517267345702162014-02-08T22:18:36.503+00:002014-02-08T22:18:36.503+00:00Thanks, that is interesting; Indian Coracles appea...Thanks, that is interesting; Indian Coracles appear to follow Mesopotamian tradition; the use of buffalo is <br />significant, as this is not a domestic animal.Geoff Carterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01111820035762957610noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2357316514436369105.post-90985606116147893492014-02-08T21:17:07.921+00:002014-02-08T21:17:07.921+00:00As I see it, probably a pack of Tibetan wolves abo...As I see it, probably a pack of Tibetan wolves about 130ka arrived at Phu Quoc island (just south of Kampot town, Cambodia) from the Himalayas, and became an isolated sub-species, which over time lost the tail gland (no more long distance daily territoreal jaunts where scent is deposited by both urine and tail brushing against low vegetation). By the time humans arrived by about 40ka, the wolf-dogs had become a bit like dodo birds, naive & friendly, even at maturity (unlike tamed wild wolves).<br />I haven't seen any Indonesian coracles, just dugout canoes. In Tibet, they cover the willow frame with a buttered yak skin; in North Dakota, the Mandan used a willow frame covered with a bison bull pelt (they also used this 'bull boat' to cover their chimney hole on cold winter nights); in India, they weave hexagonal frame of bamboo then paint pitch on the hull (also in Vietnam & Phu Quoc island). DDedenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10033851770461086341noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2357316514436369105.post-46306319029013945372014-02-08T06:51:43.076+00:002014-02-08T06:51:43.076+00:00Hi
Are you suggesting himalayas between N India /...Hi <br />Are you suggesting himalayas between N India / South China as the origin of domestic canines? <br />Also how do they make the skin of traditional coracles in Indonesia? Geoff Carterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01111820035762957610noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2357316514436369105.post-74562689574012908432014-02-05T15:59:32.933+00:002014-02-05T15:59:32.933+00:00Just noticed the similarity between tobaggan and s...Just noticed the similarity between tobaggan and sobaka(Rus dog), clearly the same root, probably same as doc(a?)ga(Eng dog) which seems close to dokhi(Tib).<br /><br />Here's a note I wrote elsewhere:<br />•Canids: dogs, coyotes and wolves.<br />•All dogs and coyotes have a recursive jaw, only the Tibetan wolf shares this trait.<br />•All wolves have a tail gland (for pheromone scent trail) that is not in dogs. Dogs have up-curled tails, wolves keep their tails down.<br />•Wolves have annual estrus, primitive dogs share this (Basenji, Ridgeback, Austl dingo, American dingo), other dogs don't.<br />8ka dogs and pigs (China) were kept/cooped as food sources, fed mostly grain-farm refuse and thus evolved multiplied amylase enzyme<br />production (as did humans, for starch consumption), this is not found in wolves, dingos or huskies.<br />•Tibetan wolves live on Himalayan <br />mountains, which extend easterly to the Cambodian Cardamom Mtn range, which extends south to the (S/D)amrei (elephant) Mtn/hills which extend offshore to PhuQuoc island (called 99 peaks), where woven bowlboat corracles are used in shallows offshore for fishing and nocturnal squid (with a <br />torchlamp set on a tripod above the coracle, like a tipi skeleton, possibly the original <br />sailing vessel, note similarity of tipi/tibet/steep/tepe/depth). <br />•Oldest dog fossils 31-33ka (Altai, Siberia & Belgium, Europe), and possibly Malaya Siya in Siberia 35ka.<br />•Papua, Australia, Borneo lacked dogs until about 5ka, while Cambodia had dogs at a much earlier date. "Dog-people" went <br />north (China, India, Amerind, etc.).<br />DDedenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10033851770461086341noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2357316514436369105.post-16860250934930931782014-01-13T18:24:48.511+00:002014-01-13T18:24:48.511+00:00So, the next question is how do we understand the ...So, the next question is how do we understand the use and domestication of dogs as sled pullers?<br />i.e. How long have we been using Huskies?<br /> . .. and how do you detect this archaeologically? Geoff Carterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01111820035762957610noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2357316514436369105.post-71422654859600627422014-01-13T18:22:56.169+00:002014-01-13T18:22:56.169+00:00the 3rd & 4th sentences of my message got a bi...the 3rd & 4th sentences of my message got a bit scrambled. <br /><br />dog (Old Eng) docga<br />dog (Russian) sobaka<br />dog (Turkish) kopek<br />dog (Tibet) dokhi apso<br /><br />sled (Mi'kmaq) tepaqan/tobagan<br /><br />thresh sled (Turkish) doven<br />thresh sled (Egypt?) dogen<br /><br />DDedenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10033851770461086341noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2357316514436369105.post-3925773121487608972014-01-13T17:57:59.105+00:002014-01-13T17:57:59.105+00:00I found a word for threshing sled, I think Egyptia...I found a word for threshing sled, I think Egyptian, dogen (with a small u above the g). <br /><br />The shaggy Tibetan 'terrier' was called the dokhi apso(dog), related to the Maltese kelb tal fennek dog.<br /><br />In old English a dog was docga ("dow-ja"), in Turkish kopek, in Russian soтобогган and (Canadian)Mi'kmaq: tepaqan.<br /><br /><br />In Turkish, a sled = kizakbaka, similar to tobaggan , a dog sled = köpek kızağı, a threshing sled = döven (also for beat/flail)DDedenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10033851770461086341noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2357316514436369105.post-36563984449200596912013-10-24T22:01:04.566+01:002013-10-24T22:01:04.566+01:00Sorry, I was just being a bit overzealous about te...Sorry, I was just being a bit overzealous about terminology - stakes and posts being distinct different things. Geoff Carterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01111820035762957610noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2357316514436369105.post-33982551997685191962013-10-24T20:44:26.296+01:002013-10-24T20:44:26.296+01:00Martha,
I think pulku = pull cup(ha), and ari/ati...Martha,<br /><br />I think pulku = pull cup(ha), and ari/ati/anji/ambuli/mobili = (thing) puller/mover. <br /><br />I fuse them into *pul-qu-pha-ari-golu = kom-ati-m = m-ari-anu (Hittite chariot teams?) derived from a woven dome/bowl (pitched or greased-skinned) coracle pulled by ari ridgeback dogs over deep sloughs or punted by poles in shallows. c-ari-bou DDedenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10033851770461086341noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2357316514436369105.post-2720866684847368622013-10-24T20:06:39.241+01:002013-10-24T20:06:39.241+01:00Geoff,
I meant earliest postholes were simply wh...Geoff, <br /><br />I meant earliest postholes were simply where flexible branches/saplings/poles were jabbed or "drilled" into soft soil to anchor them as they were woven (triangularly) into a dome form. Structural rigidity only occurred when the dome frame was finished. This long precedes rigid post/beam building and also long precedes use of stakes to hold tensional materials (skin/cloth/rope). DDedenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10033851770461086341noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2357316514436369105.post-69556248951789281112013-10-23T18:40:53.841+01:002013-10-23T18:40:53.841+01:00Enjoyed the comments. I think the Inuit and Cree w...Enjoyed the comments. I think the Inuit and Cree words might well be linked. If the Egyptian and Inuit words are connected, sledges do go way back in prehistory! <br /><br />In my thinking, the "idea" for sledges and sleds is very much connected with boats and snow. They are boats for land. They float, slip and slide across snow, sand or mud the way a boat floats across water. We know that the aboriginal people reached Australia by boat or raft some 40K years ago, but we have never seen a boat or raft from that time. Sleds may go that far back as well.<br /><br />We should keep in mind that everything was more labor-intensive in the past. Thus lumber, once cut, would be reused as many times as possible, and would eventually end up on the log heap for the fire, which is probably one reason so few wooden artifacts survive.<br /><br />It just occurred to me while re-reading the article that the "elk" carved on sledges and sleds in the past may have been reindeer. I believe the term "elk" in Europe denotes what we in America would call a "moose." Mature caribou antlers are sometimes spatulate, similar to those of a moose. (See the picture at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Caribou.jpg.<br /><br />MarthaMarthanoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2357316514436369105.post-24830365301273257362013-10-18T18:38:24.393+01:002013-10-18T18:38:24.393+01:00While I am out of my depth in linguistics, I have ...While I am out of my depth in linguistics, I have views about posts.<br />Generally, Posts denote rigid frame architecture, while stakes denote flexible woven structures,[big baskets] these are distinct separate and different technologies.<br />[See Kennedy & Carter Forthcoming !]. <br />Quite happy with sockets - permanent holes in which markers can be placed and removed, a good way of plotting things.Geoff Carterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01111820035762957610noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2357316514436369105.post-72058462448854914302013-10-18T18:17:16.037+01:002013-10-18T18:17:16.037+01:00By the way, I'm wondering if postholes (initia...By the way, I'm wondering if postholes (initially to secure dome huts in my opinion) became solar alignments and thus the origin of calenders. (Mayan calender tsolkin = socket)DDedenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10033851770461086341noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2357316514436369105.post-65495343343018630602013-10-18T18:15:20.407+01:002013-10-18T18:15:20.407+01:00It relates in various ways:
pottery bottlery boate...It relates in various ways:<br />pottery bottlery boatery slithery glaze/clay/glued/glide/slide/sledge/slough/slip/ski:ff/ship/skate/scarp/scalp (cutting+sliding=shaving)<br /><br />pulku is (either/both) pull or bowl (and possibly root of politic), but derives from earlier mongolu (Congo pygmy dome hut) as does wheel (PIE) kweklo & circle (Chinese) gulu. Its all connected!<br /><br />Not sure about atim/TM links though, possibly tram(ple)/trail; very likely (dog/horse)TeaM(ster).DDedenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10033851770461086341noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2357316514436369105.post-43739949496612202602013-10-16T22:08:08.221+01:002013-10-16T22:08:08.221+01:00I wonder if there is a root for slip, slide, or sc...I wonder if there is a root for slip, slide, or scate as a verb?Geoff Carterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01111820035762957610noreply@blogger.com